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It has been debated whether quantum mechanics and special relativity are incompatible and whether there is a preferred Lorentz frame if they are incompatible. Bell’s theorem is an important cornerstone, but it does not give us a definite positive answer due to the existence of supplementary assumptions or…[Read more]

editor created the group 2019 International Workshop: Beyond Bell’s theorem 5 years, 2 months ago

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Roderich Tumulka replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 7 months ago
Dear Richard,
Perhaps I understand better now the root of our disagreement. It seems to have something to do with whether the definition of locality refers to actions of an agent on one side having consequences on the other side, or whether it refers to events on one side having consequences on the other side, where events may include random…[Read more]

Richard Healey replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
I disagree that the condition that X has no influence on B can be expressed as Prob(B/X,Y)=Prob(B/Y): that condition merely expresses the inequality of two general probabilities, each of which may be used to infer a (different) chance of an outcome event being of type B (there is no unique chance of an event’s being of type B in this case—see my…[Read more]

Roderich Tumulka replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Dear Bob,
Yes, let’s agree to disagree. Thank you for the discussion.
All the best, Roderich

Robert Griffiths replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Dear Roderich,
Thank you for your explanation. I think your “English property” would be what I call a “quasiclassical property/projector” using the language of GellMann and Hartle. On the other stuff I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I once told d’Espagnat that the simplest explanation for why those mysterious superluminal…[Read more]

Roderich Tumulka replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Dear Richard, (in response to your #1901)
I agree that “we can’t decide whether B is a function of events on all or part of H without applying some theory” if “theory” means laws governing a possible reality (i.e., what I called a “scenario” in my paper). Quantum theory is often understood as not talking about reality but only about empirical…[Read more]

Roderich Tumulka replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Dear Bob, (at #1900)
Yes, it would good to find out what exactly we disagree about. So let me answer your questions about my position. By “English properties” I did not mean macroscopic properties. In your example, I assume that S is 1dimensional. I agree that with “cat is alive” is associated a (highdimensional) subspace A of the Hilbert space…[Read more]

Richard Healey replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Roderich, (in response to your 1898)
We can’t decide whether B is function of events on all or part of H without applying some theory. Simply observing relative frequencies of 1 in a sequence of supposedly similar sets of events can’t exclude failure of a corresponding functional relation in unobserved sets.
If we apply quantum theory, we see tha…[Read more] 
Robert Griffiths replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Dear Roderich,
In response to your #1899. Thanks for your clarification, but I am still unsure where you stand. Let us start with ‘English’ properties, by which I think you mean macroscopic properties. Will you allow me to assign things like “pointer is directed at the symbol L on the box” to a Hilbert subspace (of necessarily enormous…[Read more]

Roderich Tumulka replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Dear Bob,
Thank you for your replies #1860 and 1861. There are two relevant meanings of the word “property”: let me call them “English property” (the ordinary meaning of “property” in English) and “quantum property.” An English property of a system is something that a system either has or has not, while a “quantum property” of a system is a…[Read more]

Roderich Tumulka replied to the topic The Assumptions of Bell’s Proof in the forum John Bell Workshop 2014 9 years, 8 months ago
Dear Richard (at #1859 and 1894),
I like that you point specifically to the step in the reasoning that you are objecting to. That helps for a good discussion.
I see that the word “predetermines” has connotations that are irrelevant to the argument. For my purposes, “x predetermines y” just means “y is a function of x.” It is not necessary to…[Read more]
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